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Which model?

Questions:

 

- Could this be a 613 or 618 model just by looking at it?

- What would be the last year of production in this line? 

 

 

Thank you in advance!  

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Gail on 06/03/17 at 08:04 AM

The main label in the jacket appears to be a private label, possibly A Harley Davidson label. Unfortunately I am unable to read the main label to see who the jacket was produced for. Inside the coin pocket should be a white ticket with the style number of the jacket. Since the jacket is a private abel jacket made by Schott it would not have a Schott stye number, but a stye number representing the company it was made for. 

To further help you I would need to know the name on the main label and all the information listed on the white pocket ticket. 

Gail

Noabaak on 06/03/17 at 08:53 AM

Good morning Gail and thank you. 

I searched the info about Harley and Schott before questioning and it seems that the relationship was rather short-lived? Somehow I care less about Harley the brand (no experience whatsoever) and I happened to see this jacket made by Schott apparently in good condition considering a buy.

Thanks to your suggestion, I have relayed that question to the seller, hopefully he will let me know soon! - Best, Noa 

Gail on 06/05/17 at 07:38 AM

Over a period of approximately 10 years we did do several production lots for Harley Davidson, none of the production lots were in large quantities. I think when you think Harley you think Made in the USA, but most of their leather jackets were imported jackets. Having jackets made by Schott offered the ability to offer a USA made jacket in their line of Harley jackets. The Perfecto Schott M/C jackets are the icon of a M/C jacket and Harley wanted a relationship with Schott in producing the USA jackets. Most of the production jackets we did for Harley was the design and patterns of their designers and their selection of leather, materials and trim to be used.

Gail

Noabaak on 06/06/17 at 09:58 AM

Hi Gail, thanks for the advice. The seller sent me the picture of the label and it was 618. And he told me that he has owned it for 20 years then I lost my appetite to buy it. I just don't see how I'd wear someone's for 20 years on my body and call it mine. Kinda weired. Plus I don't find Harley logo that appealing and there was a sharp crack on the back. To confess, I am not used to buying a 2nd-hand unless it's almost never used. 618 would be my 3rd Schott somehow (in a month!) and maybe I will buy a brand new HH or meet a rare-used jacket from Japan :) - Best, Noa

Noabaak on 06/06/17 at 10:27 AM

In fact, I have found something else (a different 618), 

Are there information that you can provide based on this label? 

Thanks! 

 

 

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Gail on 06/07/17 at 06:32 AM

Based on the pocket ticket of your newest find and the Lot # 2165, this jacket was produced between 1984 and prior to 1993. I can probably narrow down the production time with some additional information. Prior to 1993 we did not use barcodes on our pocket tickets. If the jacket is in good condition I would not be afraid to purchase a vintage jacket. Do you have additional photos? To help narrow down the age I would need the names on the front & sleeve zippers. In addition if there is any name or markings on the back of the front buckle.

Gail

noa on 06/07/17 at 09:55 AM

Good morning Gail, 

Thanks to your advice, I have purchased a 618 in Japan and it's currently flying back to New York. The pictures are not the ones you requested, but I just wanted to share. I somehow trust Japanese as they are good at taking care of stuffs (maybe not manly enough to stand in rain just like me). We'll see. 

It is just amazing to see these trajectories (jacket traveling back to NYC) and to find the vintage economics as the value is contained over the years and you practically lose nothing even when you sell again, which becomes more or less like renting or sharing economics. Anyhow it makes my morning a bit enchanting! - Best, Noa

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Gail on 06/08/17 at 07:23 AM

Our Japanese market is very big on the Schott/Perfecto jackets for many years. Our distributor in Japan has been ordering our classic jackets and also doing special productions lots of jackets. Looking at the photos you posted the jacket appears t be in good condition. Once you recieve the jacket if you post the information I requested I can possibly narrow down the production time frame better.

Gail

fWord on 06/09/17 at 08:49 AM

Noabaak wrote:

Hi Gail, thanks for the advice. The seller sent me the picture of the label and it was 618. And he told me that he has owned it for 20 years then I lost my appetite to buy it. I just don't see how I'd wear someone's for 20 years on my body and call it mine. Kinda weired. Plus I don't find Harley logo that appealing and there was a sharp crack on the back. To confess, I am not used to buying a 2nd-hand unless it's almost never used. 618 would be my 3rd Schott somehow (in a month!) and maybe I will buy a brand new HH or meet a rare-used jacket from Japan :) - Best, Noa

I would agree with Gail that when it comes to leather jackets, we can be more open about buying second hand. It is a piece of "outerwear" as opposed to "underwear" or swimwear. Certain vintage patterns are not produced anymore, and a jacket that is used but properly cared for can have lovely patina without being damaged. The advantage to buying new however is that a jacket can grow old with you and become uniquely yours.

 

Ultimately everyone has different levels of tolerance for what they are or aren't prepared to do. Personally, after having bought second hand once, I wouldn't hesitate to do it again. The condition of such a jacket is key, the other important thing being the absence of difficult to remove odours such as tobacco. Ask lots of questions, study pictures of the jacket carefully and ensure the seller is either reputable, or that you have the protection of a return policy. In this case the crack in the leather does spell some trouble so you were wise to stay away.

 

I don't think the Japanese necessarily look after their jackets any better than others, but when it comes to fashion there are indeed some styles unique to their market and are not usually available outside the country. My current Schott jacket was made for the Japanese market exclusively at least 10 years ago, and I could get my hands on it only by buying second hand.

Gail on 06/09/17 at 10:15 AM

In Japan a Schott Perfecto represents a status symbol for many people. As with anything it is the owner who can and does take care of his things or a owner who does not, doesn't matter where you live, it's the person. Buying second hand especially if you want a vintage jacket you are looking for is great, but I do recommend to have sed jackets professionally cleaned. Especially if the jacket is vintage as you need to remove the dirt and sweat from the linings and stitching to prevent deterioration. 

Gail

Noabaak on 06/09/17 at 11:50 AM

Thank you FWORD and GAIL for more inspiration!

As inexperienced in buying 2nd-hands, I have never thought of odors and cleaning much. Professional cleaning is an option but then I saw a cobbler tiring a brand new pair of Gucci shoes to a 10-yr olds instantly or a tailoring wearing out my leather jacket (funny but true). I might try spot treat the fabrics inside myself.  

I agree that it is the person who owns but that person is inevitably affected by the environment and the culture. I lived in 4 different continents all my life and met many kinds of people, and I can say that Japanese are strong at details and they have developed a unique sense of aesthetics towards 'best' or 'high-priced' fashion products, again an outcome of history, not generalization. The only consumer market that Walt Disney (where I worked and usually having a tight drip on intellectual properties) gave exception to was Japan, not to mention it's a huge market in terms of money.

In South Korea, neighboring next to Japan and becoming another dominating power in culture, there is a saying that even a janitor wears a Rolex. Not because they can afford to, but they cherish these things. These are things that Westerners would not understand 'cause it's simply not practical. I can guarantee one thing though; he would not wear that Rolex while cleaning or in the rain. 

 

PS. BTW, the reason I gave to the jacket was more of emotional value to one specific person over 20 years. When you own a thing for a long time, it becomes a part of you, there's personal energy preserved in the jacket. Then I somehow ordered this thing 'cause that energy might not be all bad, who knows it might bring a luck. Call me superstitious! :) 

 

Gail on 06/10/17 at 09:03 AM

Noabaak,

If I understand you correctly you ended up purchasing this jacket? I hoped we helped you in your decision and will be very pleased with the jacket. It's a great classic jacket that is known world wide for it's design. I know many people to not read the Schott Story the option that is listed at the bottom of the page, but you may want to check it out. You may get a better understanding why our vintage jackets are so much in demand. You can also take a tour of of our factory another option that you may find very interesting. Knowing the history of these jackets become so much more when you own one yourself. Keep us posted when you receive the jacket and let us know what you think.

Gail 

 

Noabaak on 06/10/17 at 12:11 PM

Good morning Gail, 

 

Thank you for advice! I took a look at the Story of the company, it's fascinating and informative. 

And yes, I bought that jacket and could see it's just being sent off Tokyo airport. Hopefully it will arrive soon. I am sure I will like 618.

As for the factory tour, I am much interested. Only I could not find information how to get there and when it happens. For curiosity, is this the place where alteration takes place too? If so maybe I can drop off my 626 jacket there on my way to tour? Currently I am pondering if I should alter the sleeve on my own (since it's a simple job and more convenient than shipping it out) or bring to Schott to keep the original design flawlessly.

Now that I have three (3) Schott purchased, 525-626-618 (in that order), What would be the meaningful next, do you think? Maybe 613? haha. I know that 613 has a star which makes it distictive, but it's virtually the same design as 618, I believe? I read your comment on 118 which is a size roomier than 618. I also see a 125 on eBay but have no knowledge of it. 

Funny I am entering a season not for the leather and collecting all of them. 

 

Best, 

Noa

 

PS. To your advice, I had contacted Jerri before and kept the relevant info.  

 

 

Gail on 06/12/17 at 07:44 AM

Noa,

I am glad you enjoyed reading the history and story about Schott. Sad to tell you though we do not have actual tours of our factory we only have the virtual tour on our website. We do open our factory the 1st Saturday in December for our Annual factory Sale, this is the only time we open to the public. Our factory is located in Union, New Jersey, if you join our mailing list on our ebsite you will receive an email on the sale.

On the shortening of sleeves, all the jackets you own have sleeve zippers and are not that easy to shorten. To shorten the sleeves you still want to maintain the use of the sleeve zippers. This type of alteration would need to be done by a tailor. We do not accept drop-offs at the factory for repairs, but are sent into us and handled by Jerri in customer service.

Gail

Noabaak on 06/12/17 at 10:57 AM

Hi Gail, 

 

So the jacket arrived just now! Although it cost me $60 for shipping, it took only 6 days to get here, which is amazing. I have uploaded the pics hopefully for you to narrow down the years. 

Condition is visually great only it smells a little moldy and super squeaky. The leather might need re-conditioning thoroughly. I think I will buy the leather conditioner from online store. 

I can also see the rust over belt. The jacket must have sat in a barn for a long time or something haha. 

For the smell, I have just sprayed a Febreeze for now. Now I realize why this is something to be concerned. Will see! 

 

Question: Do you think the under arms were altered (see pics)? Just wondering. 

It would have been great if Schott could have provided a re-furbishing process for a fee, like a little coloring, re-oiling, and stuffs. 

 

Best, 

Noa

 

 

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