What are the differences, if any, in sizing between Schott leather jackets made for the US market and those made for the Japanese market? For example, if a model 118 USA jacket in size 36 fits snugly but comfortably, would the same model and size ordered from Japan be so small that it couldn't even be zipped up properly?
I've been wandering through some of the Japanese websites selling Schott jackets, and based on the descriptions of the models' height/weight and jacket size, it looks like these jackets are at least two sizes smaller than what I would expect to see here in the USA.
Any information would be appreciated.
Fireman...Gail usually goes into more detail on her responses..I think she is still feeling it from that Saint Patty's party. Let me provide a bit more to go on...
You are a studied one. Figuring that from measures on a Japanese website given in centimeters is good. I have purchased about a dozen jackets from the factory sale that were either overruns or seconds made for Americaya. Keep in mind that there is quite a history here between Schott and the Japanese motorcycle collector. Back in the 40's there were lots of American soldiers cruising through Honolulu wearing Schott. As these jackets got traded the whole cult following of Schott worked its way back from Hawaii to Japan....I'm guessing on most of this but it makes sense...right.
So now when Americaya places an order for say the Schott 613, they want the old pattern style that Schott used over 50 years ago. Hence the differences in not just tagged sizes but the actual cut. From the measures I have taken, these jackets were cut larger in the chest but tighter across the back. The 1928h I just recently sold was tagged a 42 but measured more like a 40. Unlike the 75th anniversary edition 1928 that Schott did in naked cow, the 1928h was as close to an exact reproduction as possible. They used itchy wool lining, did the belt with HH on only one side, other than the zippers and type of HH used this jacket was beholden to the original 1928 of the 30's. (Which were probably also found in Hawaii after Pearl Harbor).
So just keep in mind the old rule with Schott....measure twice, buy once. Meaning measure what you own and fits you, then be sure to ask for these same measures before buying. NEVER JUST GO BY THE TAGGED SIZE OF ANY TYPE OF LEATHER JACKET IF YOU EXPECT A GOOD FIT. If you really want to get technical also consider the lining...some jackets have insulation in the body, others just have 3 oz. nylon...this is enough to throw a jacket off by almost a half tagged size. Refer to the attached picture for the best way to take the 5 measures you need.
Your right I did not go into extensive detail for s few reasons, we do numerous styles for Our Japanese distributors and we can have several spin-offs from the original style. In addition I was not really sure what style he was looking at in the Japan jackets,our distributor does offer some styles he has made but not made in our US factory. These styles are approved by us but we do not offer them in the US. We have done special production for Japanese orders for over 25 years, so it is hard to determine exactly what he was researching. AS you noted if he knows the style number if the jacket we can send him specs. Gail
Thanks to both of you for your responses. I know that the 618HH (USA model) in a size 36 is a perfect fit for me, so the measurements of that jacket are what I'm using as a guide. By comparing those measurements with the sizing charts, it looks like a USA-style 118 would have to be a size 34, but a Japanese-style 118 would need to be a 36 to get the same fit (or close to it). I'm thinking of trying the Japanese version since they seem to be more fitted and not as baggy (I hate large baggy jackets). Thanks again for your advice.
The 618HH is a smaller fit then the 118, as you will note on our website for the 618H we advise to order one size up. If you want the spec for the 618H on our website you can request it. Just email Jerri in customer service. email email@example.com
Some of these jackets are excellent, like the McHael.
Gail on 12/23/13 at 09:05 AM
This particular jacket was special production we made for our Japanese distributor as a 100 th. Anniversary Limited edition jacket, which probably retailed around $1000. This jacket was probably purchased at our annual factory sale this year and then posted on Ebay. It's a beautiful jacket and a great find as a collector's jacket, especially since these were made in the USA but not sold in the USA. Gail
I have a 40. My other 40's are lose. This 40 is snug in the shoulders. I can wear it when I ride but would not be able to do so if it was even a 1/2 size smaller.