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Intro and question...

Hope this is not in poor form. I did not see any guidelines for your forum. I am disturber. I live in PA, and I ride a 66 Triumph. I have 1680D and am about to purchase my first Perfecto (118 Pending advice). Schott has shown me in one purchase that their quality and customer service is without compare. I hear alot about underarm footballs, or gussets but am not entirely clear on what they are. That is to say I'm not familiar. A search on this forum was unsuccessful. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks all.

crippe on 12/29/06 at 05:33 AM

Welcome to the forum. Underarm footballs improve movement. I think Schott started using this design in the mid 1980's. See pic below.




disturber on 12/29/06 at 09:22 AM

Awesome, thanks. I'm sure they are what works if Schott uses them, just wanted to know what I was buying.

copsunited on 12/29/06 at 10:34 AM

The Schott jackets are NOT the most expensive Motorcycle Jackets on the market by far. The old adage that you only get what you pay for does not..REPEAT does NOT apply in this sutuation. Some cycle jackets have a lot more "into" them such as additonal gussets, rivets, lacing etc etc...but the fact is that Schott has done it's homework and provides all you could normally wish for in a jacket..and more. The quality is so far above the others that after perhaps 10 years of service your jacket will still look like it belongs in the closet as opposed to a "used clothing" yard sale... "nuff said"


disturber on 12/29/06 at 11:53 AM

Agreed. I'm into alot of the British thing. The Triumph, the Rocker scene, and i have a huge crush on a certain Triton...but I digress. I can't, however, bring myself to pay in the neighborhood of $1500 for a Lewis Bronx jacket when Schott is right here, putting everything they have into quality jackets, but without the nerve to charge a premium for the name, even though they could, as others have. BTW I'm thinking perhaps the 613 instead of the 118...Brando, Dee Dee Ramone, those are the jackets that won my heart.

copsunited on 01/02/07 at 10:51 AM

Both jackets are virtually the same. Only minor differences can be detected but it takes a discerning eye to do so. The 118 has Schott imprinted on the snaps where the 613 does not. The star can be had for the 118 for the asking. The 118 can be purchased in a longer version for taller people or special needs. I believe the basic 118 is an inch or so longer than the 613 to begin with. As far as people being able to detect the minor differences from a distance of ten feet or so...I'd way.

BTW: I am a bit of an anglophile myslelf. Everything British I love. My First Triumph was a 650 Bonneville..I absolutely loved the thing..oil leaks and all.. my second was was a three cylindar "Tiger"..but it was aa b*tch to start..I mean it was horrible . I'd get so tired and sweaty cranking that pedal start..gads !!!Laters..geno

monsterrider on 01/02/07 at 01:13 PM

I have a 69 Bonneville and wear an older 618. I had underarm gussets added by a local tailor because mine is old enough it didn't have them, and it makes reaching for the bars easier, even on an upright ride like the Triumph. I also have a Ducati and the jacket works fine there as well. The 618 (and I think the 613) is short and cut small though so have Gail advise you on the correct size.

I think steer hide is the best bike leather - it is extremely wind and water repellent, stiffer than cowhide but not uncomfortable. Mine is very warm and can be ridden in pretty cold weather, and is surprisingly comfortable in western NC warm summer weather also. I have been caught in rain storms with it and have stayed very dry inside.

I had a naked cowhide jacket for a while and although it was softer and more easily broken in, it was not as good a riding jacket as my Perfecto.  For comparison I have a Vanson and a Fidelity Leathers jacket; the Perfecto is the best to ride in for me.

Enjoy whatever you get.

disturber on 01/02/07 at 06:35 PM

Just the kind of feedback I was looking for. I sent an email to the sizing address, but got no response. I'm 5'7", so shortness in the back of the jacket isn't too much of a concern. I bought the 618, by the way. I would like to get some stars for it , though. I won't bother to make that an order, but next time. I hope to have many good rides in my new perfecto, can't wait to get it.

zxc1974 on 01/03/07 at 11:17 PM

Regarding Lewis Leathers jackets, I agree the price for a new one is astronomical compared to other high quality motorcycle jacket makers, with the exception of Langlitz but they custom make their jackets to order. At that price, for a few hundred more you could get a really nice vintage Buco. Not to say Lewis Leathers are a bad jacket at all; I have a "Lightning" that is great. Slim lines, high quality leather and classic styling that is uniquely british. But I bought it used, still at a fairly hefty price.

disturber on 01/03/07 at 11:32 PM

Yeah, they have a great line...with great lines. And if you can charge that and demand brings the money, no reason not to. I'm just saying I'd just as soon get a Perfecto for my money...of course most of my money will be going right to the bike. Gotta love the old stuff.

Gail on 01/09/07 at 01:25 PM

Would like to Welcome Disturber to our Message blog, I can see our Perfecto Buffs have been taking care of you in answering your questions in my absence (Thanks fellas). I have finally caught up with all my emails and hopefully you have received the sizing information you needed. If you need any additional assistance please contact me. Gail

okanagan on 01/09/07 at 02:39 PM

Disturber: put your fears aside and buy Schott.  As mentioned in an earlier blog, my riding pants are Lewis Leather's trousers which I bought in 1977 and paid about $125.00 for.  They are well made and I have definitely gotten my money's worth from them.  However, I recently purchased a Schott 118 and am extremely pleased with the quality and fit of the jacket; I am currently saving to buy a pair of Schott 110 pants.  I recently went to the Lewis Leather's web site and was shocked at their high prices.  Wages in England must be very high conpared with this side of the Atlantic.  Besides, if buying leathers to ride a motorcycle in eventually you will be getting bugs, oil and dirt on your leathers.  Schott makes a very fine product for the price; they will serve you well. BTW I run a 1950 HD big twin 

reginald on 01/18/07 at 10:16 AM

guys, have you paid attention to the terminator jackets? both one and two? i did lots of research and eventually found out what made them,, the T1 jacket, where arnold wore after his self-repairement in the dumpster, is actually amodified vanson highwayman jacket, only with the epaulets removed, it looks great on him, and the big difference, which i really suggest other brands to do as well, is to increase the width of the collar, so that it would look more 'manly' when standin up, like in terminator one, big wide front collar!!
but in t2, arnold's physique changed, his shoulder became smaller and more lowered down, so the jacket changed, this time is by a contractor brand called bates, they claimed they made this jacket for the movie and have it for sale on the web.
the t2 jacket has a D pocket, no epaulets, full belt and curved lower back. smaller collar though!
according to the film, it looks like a dark brown horsehide, that is smooth, not grainy.
can anyone give some sample closeup shots of the different leather types? that would be highly educaitonal!!!

zxc1974 on 01/18/07 at 03:54 PM

the Bates jacket is a Buco J-24 replica

reginald on 01/19/07 at 09:19 PM

hi, does anyone know what brand of brando/biker leather jacket is the most expensive in th world nowadays? someone once said schott is not the most expensive, certainly not harley either, so what is?

copsunited on 01/19/07 at 09:58 PM

Hi. I cannot recall right now how I found this one brand but they are all hand made and run in the neighborhood of $1,000 each. I'll try to get the name and location again.

Even tho it is expensive and hand made I noted a lot of extra gussets and laces. It really shows well but I frankly don't believe it is that much better that a Schott.. and that comes from years of experience. I am not prejudiced either.

Just for the giggle..I'll find it for you..Cops..aka Geno

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