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Genuine HH

Hi guys, I just bought a 641hh in brown and it just looks fabulous!

Anyway, I notice all the schott jackets made with horse hide always have the 'GENUINE' preposed. Does this mean the leather is a genuine leather? I mean not top grain or full grain leather? Does anyone have any clue?

Gail on 12/16/15 at 01:16 PM

"Genuine" means "Real" for all types of leather, meaningless not fake.

Gai

Damo on 12/16/15 at 01:55 PM

There's a 641HH in brown????

richgreene on 12/16/15 at 02:34 PM

Genuine as in Genuine Horse NOT Donkey/Etc.

treeman on 12/16/15 at 04:12 PM

I understand your point here Wang.Genuine or real in leather terms is not anything great at all, in fact its a lower grade of leather. Not sure how horse hide is rated. Good question, hope someone can enlighten us.  

spedry on 12/16/15 at 05:17 PM

Genuine leather is a very terribile grade of leather.

Many Schott labels have "genuine" written on it, the older ones too but for sure it is not referred to the grade of the leather.

Other famous brands use the same adjective on their labels.

If you could see a genuine grade leather you would immediately understand.

Ciao Enrico

treeman on 12/16/15 at 05:36 PM

I don't understand why Schott uses the labels that say genuine leather. Maybe Gail can fill us in on this.

wang717 on 12/16/15 at 06:08 PM

Thank you guys all for your replys.

I asked the stupid question. I'm sure Schott will only sell the high quality leather not some 'Genuine' grade leather.

What I'm always confused with is the leather grading names. It seems that no one uses top grain or full grain to

describe horse hide, but using front quarter instead. And things are different when it comes to cow hide or steer

hide. Anyway, I guess Schott won't need to care too much about these 'names' since it stands out for itself!

Damo on 12/16/15 at 06:41 PM

@ wang717..

Can you please tell me what and where you found a 641 in brown horse??? Thx

treeman on 12/16/15 at 07:19 PM

It comes in black and brown. Check the time of your post---6:41 !! FREAKY!!

wang717 on 12/16/15 at 07:36 PM

Damo wrote:

@ wang717..

Can you please tell me what and where you found a 641 in brown horse??? Thx

I thought Schott hadn't made 641hh in brown for over 25 yrs too. 

But I found this company selling custom made jacket from Schott:

http://rjl-ltd.myshopify.com/collections/clothing-shoes-accessories-mens-clothing-coats-jackets/products/rjl-limited-custom-brown-italian-horsehide-cafe-racer-jacket-by-schott-bros-nyc

(I am not advertising #==)

And later, I just found schott itself is selling brown 641hh:

https://www.schottnyc.com/products/classic-schott-racer-black-leather.htm?catID=8

 

Gail on 12/16/15 at 08:26 PM

Where do I even begin to explain the word "Genuine", I think you are reading way to much into the word. In the US  by law you have to confirm what the content of a garment is. If the leather is real, you must list as such, if a material is not real, example a Faux Fur collar will list the type of pile the collar is made of, this confirms the collar is not real fur. The word Genuine or Real is only used to advise the leather is from an animal hide. How the word Genuine makes the leather a lower grade is beyond comprehension. I think you are confusing the word "genuine" with the grading and type of leather. Some of our labels use the word "Genuine" and a lot do not have this word, but on the content label or the content hangtag the word genuine will be used as is required by law.

We have all seen in retail stores the Genuine leather jacket for that $179 bargain price, first touch, the weight of the jacket and the printed vein on the leather tells you it is a very low grade of leather, but it is leather. It's like comparing the very high end BMW car that sells for $90,000 and the least expensive model, both have the BMW insignia on the back, but hardly look the same, yet they are both genuine BMW's.

There are all types of leather some cost more then others, Horsehide and Sheepskin being some of the most costly. There is also all grades of leather our Naked Cowhides and Steerhide leathers are Grade A/B which will cost more then then say a Grade C. The Front Quarter of the horse is the most expensive as it is the largest smoothest section of the horse. The underbelly has more creases from the stomach expanding and movement, while this section can be used they are not the same grade/quality as the smooth front quarter. Our Genuine Sheepskin jackets are very expensive so how can the word genuine mean a lower cost jacket. I will final end with one statement that has held true for any years, "You get what you pay for." To the 641HH brown question posted here, the style is on the site but we are sold out in the color brown. The brown was a limited edition color, so I do not believe the color will be offered again.

Gail 

richgreene on 12/16/15 at 08:40 PM

A Legit ebay seller has a few of nthe brown ones listed in the $600 range

And Yes-----GENUINE !!!!!

treeman on 12/16/15 at 08:59 PM

My 641 says, and I quote....GENUINE STEERHIDE LEATHER........its a beautiful thing !!

wang717 on 12/16/15 at 09:00 PM

Gail wrote:

Where do I even begin to explain the word "Genuine", I think you are reading way to much into the word. In the US  by law you have to confirm what the content of a garment is. If the leather is real, you must list as such, if a material is not real, example a Faux Fur collar will list the type of pile the collar is made of, this confirms the collar is not real fur. The word Genuine or Real is only used to advise the leather is from an animal hide. How the word Genuine makes the leather a lower grade is beyond comprehension. I think you are confusing the word "genuine" with the grading and type of leather. Some of our labels use the word "Genuine" and a lot do not have this word, but on the content label or the content hangtag the word genuine will be used as is required by law.

We have all seen in retail stores the Genuine leather jacket for that $179 bargain price, first touch, the weight of the jacket and the printed vein on the leather tells you it is a very low grade of leather, but it is leather. It's like comparing the very high end BMW car that sells for $90,000 and the least expensive model, both have the BMW insignia on the back, but hardly look the same, yet they are both genuine BMW's.

There are all types of leather some cost more then others, Horsehide and Sheepskin being some of the most costly. There is also all grades of leather our Naked Cowhides and Steerhide leathers are Grade A/B which will cost more then then say a Grade C. The Front Quarter of the horse is the most expensive as it is the largest smoothest section of the horse. The underbelly has more creases from the stomach expanding and movement, while this section can be used they are not the same grade/quality as the smooth front quarter. Our Genuine Sheepskin jackets are very expensive so how can the word genuine mean a lower cost jacket. I will final end with one statement that has held true for any years, "You get what you pay for." To the 641HH brown question posted here, the style is on the site but we are sold out in the color brown. The brown was a limited edition color, so I do not believe the color will be offered again.

Gail 

Wow Gail, you are amazing! Thank you so much for taking time to answer to detail. Now I understand what's wrong with the word 'Genuine'. This word is definitely ruined by some cheap manufacturers. They use low-grade leather (but still leather) and put 'Genuine' on the lable which gradually makes customer think 'Genuine' means bad quality. I see many people on the internet saying the same thing about 'Genuine' grade leather which is also very confusing.

About the brown 641HH, I saw RJL Ltd company selling the custom made brown 641HH. Is that real Schott jacket?

Thanks again Gail

Gail on 12/16/15 at 09:48 PM

The 641HH was a limited edition for Schott and we did make special production for another company.  

Gail

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