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Fur on perfecto



I plan to buy a fur collar from your website but it noticed it didn't look as good as it looks on the site of Legendary US.


1) On Schoot's site

The fur is just put on the collar which is not slipped into the fur. Why ? Was it just too small for the modele displayed ?

We see some leather part of the fur collar and the lining of the edge of it. Seems it doesn't fit well to the jacket's collar. Looks ugly and ill fitting.


2) On Legendary

The collar of the jacket is slipped into the fur collar which  covers the collar at 99% and we do not see any leather part of the added collar. Only the fur. Seems to fit perfectly.


Please explain me why we have this difference!




Gail on 06/25/07 at 07:46 AM

I am not really sure, what you are asking in regards to the collar. The collar on Legendary's site is produced by our company and all the collars are made the same. On Legendary's photo  the collar is shown on a jacket, on our website we picture the collar separate. The collar has a genuine leather bottom with a 100% acrylic Mouton fur pile top and leather tabs with snaps for attaching. Both collars on both sites are made the same with the same materials. Gail

bilbok on 06/25/07 at 10:55 AM

On your website, you see a pic of the collar ON the jacket

Please check the 2 pics attached.


The pink zone will be particulary ugly if it is nylon and not leather.


Yellow = the zone you don't see on Legendary's pics

Pink = nylon ?

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Gail on 06/25/07 at 02:07 PM

There is no nylon on the collar, in the pink you have outlined that is the leather with the snaps to attach the colar to the jacket. I assure you both collar on our site and Legendary's are the same, it is just the way the photo is taken. To be honest I do not see the differences you are  seeing. Maybe one of our other blog members, who has purchased this collar can confirm for you the collar has no nylon on it. All collars are made the same for our stock and for Legendary's stock. Gail

Turlyboy on 06/25/07 at 02:43 PM

Gail's right...the parts you have highlighted are leather. Fear not...there is no nylon.

I promise you will be very pleased with your collar...superb quality.

 Makes my 618 look awesome!

The collar is made with the same craftsmanship & attention to detail you'd expect from Schott.

bilbok on 06/25/07 at 02:48 PM

Ok for the nylon. I am relieved.

Though the yellow zone is not visible on Legendary. Did you check their website ?


On legendary, you don't see the leather part of the added collar. Only the fur. On your site, you see the leather part + the fur of the added collar.




bilbok on 11/16/07 at 07:47 PM

Gail, I got the collar, once again thanks for the fast shipping.


Although, I am not happy with the collar because there is a NYLON edge.


I asked you about this edge and you told me there were no nylon edge. Please explain.



bilbok on 11/28/07 at 10:56 PM

Gail, please reply.



Gail on 11/30/07 at 11:20 AM

This is not a nylon, this is a binding that must be used in the production of the collar to bind the raw edge. Gail

bilbok on 11/30/07 at 12:57 PM

If it is not nylon, what is it ?

What I am sure is that it is not leather but some sort of fabric which is spot in the middle of the jackets collar and is very visible.

Gail on 11/30/07 at 01:13 PM

I am sorry but I guess I did not understand your question from the very beginning, as I thought you were asking if the collar was made of nylon on the underpart. I never even gave this binding a second thought, as it is indeed a small nylon binding to finish the raw edge of the leather. I did not think this binding would be a serious issue on the collar, without this binding you would have the raw edge of the leather exposed, which would look awful and very unfinished in a product. Gail

bilbok on 11/30/07 at 01:28 PM

Yes Gail, I think you didn't really look at the part I underlined in the pics I posted.


I was talking about what covers the edge.


I don't like this nylon part because it indicates that the collar is not sewn on the jacket but added and it breaks the balance of the collar.


I wanted the collar to look like as if the collar of tha jacket was made out of "fur", like on a flight jacket.

I wanted no leather at all visible on the 2 up collar pics like on Legendary's website and in the worst case, a small part of leather visible bit not nylon.


Not a big deal though. It is only $50 and I am sure I could resell it with profit in France.


May be I will like it eventually.


Why not using leather for the binding ?



Gail on 11/30/07 at 02:54 PM

Leather is too thick to use as binding, there is no binding folder on a machine that would be able to apply leather binding. This binding after being folder is only about 1/4" wide on each side of the finish edge. Gail 

bilbok on 11/30/07 at 02:56 PM

Then just folding the leather and sewing could make a nice bending. Like for the cuffs of a perfetco.

MartyD on 04/04/08 at 10:59 PM

I recently purchased a fur collar (618M) for my perfecto.  I was not satisfied with it and have returned it. I want to add that the Schott customer service remains first class.

I wanted to take the time to contribute to the blog, and offer some constructive comments. I would like to see some changes that would make the optional collar more appealing.

The collar is much too thick and stiff. It doesn't want to fold down. It tends to stand up, particularly in the back. This exposes the curved area around the snap that sits at the base of the neck.  It looks like you're wearing a neck brace.

The ends not only cover the points on the jacket collar, they also ride down on to the lapel. They're a little too big. This becomes a problem if you want to fold the lapels in and zip the jacket all the way up. You just can’t do it without crushing the lapels. The lapels should still fold flat on their seam, with the fur collar on.

The fur itself is a little too plush and fluffy. It contributes to the difficulty folding, and it looks a little too feminine for a man's jacket. The nylon edge trim needs to go.  It draws attention to the "neck brace" lines, and also looks dainty.  I like bilok's idea of rolling it and stitching like the bottom of the jacket sleeves. Or perhaps a piping could be added to cover the edge. Think early 70's Dodge upholstery.

Another idea would be to use Top Grain naked leather.  This could have the identical appearance to the 118 jacket, yet be sanded down thinner to be more flexible.  The leather on my collar was quite thick, and it had a much deeper grain than my jacket, (which is very smooth).  It did not have the soft hand that the 118 jacket has. Is the collar made of full grain steerhide?

Summarizing proposed changes.

1. Use a soft flexible leather that folds easily.

2. Change the contour of the ends so that they don't interfere with the lapels, The jacket must be able to zip up all the way, without crushing the lapels.

3.No nylon edge trim. Fold and stitch, or add piping. Another advantage to going with a thinner top grain.

4. A shorter nap with the mouton would add flexibility  to the collar and look more masculine.

Gail on 04/07/08 at 09:57 AM

I am sure Jason will discuss your suggestions with our designer. In all fairness most of our Perfecto owners want the original collar just as they want the original Perfecto jacket. They prefer the thick leather and pile fur just as it was produced over 60 years ago. If we used a thinner leather and pile they would feel they were not purchasing the original item and were paying more for a lesser product. Gail

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