at 07:46 AM
I am not really sure, what you are asking in regards to the collar. The
collar on Legendary's site is produced by our company and all the collars are
made the same. On Legendary's photo the collar is shown on a jacket, on
our website we picture the collar separate. The collar has a genuine leather
bottom with a 100% acrylic Mouton fur pile top and leather tabs with snaps for
attaching. Both collars on both sites are made the same with the same
at 10:55 AM
On your website, you see a pic of the collar ON the jacket
Please check the 2 pics attached.
The pink zone will be particulary ugly if it is nylon and not leather.
Yellow = the zone you don't see on Legendary's pics
Pink = nylon ?
at 02:07 PM
There is no nylon on the collar, in the pink you have outlined that is the
leather with the snaps to attach the colar to the jacket. I assure you both
collar on our site and Legendary's are the same, it is just the way the photo is
taken. To be honest I do not see the differences you are seeing. Maybe one
of our other blog members, who has purchased this collar can confirm for
you the collar has no nylon on it. All collars are made the same for our stock
and for Legendary's stock. Gail
at 02:43 PM
Gail's right...the parts you have highlighted are leather. Fear not...there
is no nylon.
I promise you will be very pleased with your collar...superb quality.
Makes my 618 look awesome!
The collar is made with the same craftsmanship & attention to detail
you'd expect from Schott.
at 02:48 PM
Ok for the nylon. I am relieved.
Though the yellow zone is not visible on Legendary. Did you check their
On legendary, you don't see the leather part of the added collar. Only the
fur. On your site, you see the leather part + the fur of the added collar.
at 07:47 PM
Gail, I got the collar, once again thanks for the fast shipping.
Although, I am not happy with the collar because there is a NYLON edge.
I asked you about this edge and you told me there were no nylon edge. Please
at 10:56 PM
Gail, please reply.
at 11:20 AM
This is not a nylon, this is a binding that must be used in the production of
the collar to bind the raw edge. Gail
at 12:57 PM
If it is not nylon, what is it ?
What I am sure is that it is not leather but some sort of fabric which is
spot in the middle of the jackets collar and is very visible.
at 01:13 PM
I am sorry but I guess I did not understand your question from the very
beginning, as I thought you were asking if the collar was made of nylon on
the underpart. I never even gave this binding a second thought, as it is indeed
a small nylon binding to finish the raw edge of the leather. I did not
think this binding would be a serious issue on the collar, without this binding
you would have the raw edge of the leather exposed, which would look awful and
very unfinished in a product. Gail
at 01:28 PM
Yes Gail, I think you didn't really look at the part I underlined in the pics
I was talking about what covers the edge.
I don't like this nylon part because it indicates that the collar is not sewn
on the jacket but added and it breaks the balance of the collar.
I wanted the collar to look like as if the collar of tha jacket was made out
of "fur", like on a flight jacket.
I wanted no leather at all visible on the 2 up collar pics like on
Legendary's website and in the worst case, a small part of leather visible bit
Not a big deal though. It is only $50 and I am sure I could resell it with
profit in France.
May be I will like it eventually.
Why not using leather for the binding ?
at 02:54 PM
Leather is too thick to use as binding, there is no binding folder on a
machine that would be able to apply leather binding. This
binding after being folder is only about 1/4" wide on each side of the
finish edge. Gail
at 02:56 PM
Then just folding the leather and sewing could make a nice bending. Like for
the cuffs of a perfetco.
at 10:59 PM
I recently purchased a fur collar (618M) for my perfecto. I was not satisfied with it and have returned it. I want to add that the Schott customer service remains first class.
I wanted to take the time to contribute to the blog, and offer some constructive comments. I would like to see some changes that would make the optional collar more appealing.
The collar is much too thick and stiff. It doesn't want to fold down. It tends to stand up, particularly in the back. This exposes the curved area around the snap that sits at the base of the neck. It looks like you're wearing a neck brace.
The ends not only cover the points on the jacket collar, they also ride down on to the lapel. They're a little too big. This becomes a problem if you want to fold the lapels in and zip the jacket all the way up. You just can’t do it without crushing the lapels. The lapels should still fold flat on their seam, with the fur collar on.
The fur itself is a little too plush and fluffy. It contributes to the difficulty folding, and it looks a little too feminine for a man's jacket. The nylon edge trim needs to go. It draws attention to the "neck brace" lines, and also looks dainty. I like bilok's idea of rolling it and stitching like the bottom of the jacket sleeves. Or perhaps a piping could be added to cover the edge. Think early 70's Dodge upholstery.
Another idea would be to use Top Grain naked leather. This could have the identical appearance to the 118 jacket, yet be sanded down thinner to be more flexible. The leather on my collar was quite thick, and it had a much deeper grain than my jacket, (which is very smooth). It did not have the soft hand that the 118 jacket has. Is the collar made of full grain steerhide?
Summarizing proposed changes.
1. Use a soft flexible leather that folds easily.
2. Change the contour of the ends so that they don't interfere with the lapels, The jacket must be able to zip up all the way, without crushing the lapels.
3.No nylon edge trim. Fold and stitch, or add piping. Another advantage to going with a thinner top grain.
4. A shorter nap with the mouton would add flexibility to the collar and look more masculine.
at 09:57 AM
I am sure Jason will discuss your suggestions with our designer. In all fairness most of our Perfecto owners want the original collar just as they want the original Perfecto jacket. They prefer the thick leather and pile fur just as it was produced over 60 years ago. If we used a thinner leather and pile they would feel they were not purchasing the original item and were paying more for a lesser product. Gail