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Cowhide vs Steerhide

In the Schott jackets are both these hides the same thickness? I know the cowhide is said to be softer but I just felt a 641 steerhide and it felt just as soft and maybe not as heavy as a 125.

96w6 on 10/24/10 at 07:15 PM

Gee, 51 lookers and no stated opinions. Oh well.

Artic on 10/24/10 at 08:09 PM

most of those 51 views are probably spambots, or surfers wondering why the search function doesn't bring anything up. Steerhide has more of a sheen finish. Some of the Schott cowhides (like the Perfecto) seem thicker - yet softer - than the steerhide or horsehide (even glossier). Some of the Schott partners seem to use an extraordinarily soft and supple cowhide which is really flexible and light to wear - very different from the US made cowhide and almost like nappa (i.e. less hard wearing). I guess you'll find variations between different cowhides; different steerhides etc. Maybe it doesn't really matter which, depending on which finish you prefer on the jacket. Some of the thickest cowhides are the raw hides which are equally inflexible and difficult to move around in. Apart from that, I don't really know how to answer your question - sorry.

96w6 on 10/24/10 at 08:28 PM

Thanks for the response, Artic. I understand that it would be difficult, if not impossible,  to get consistent weight in all the hides. What I'm wondering is does Schott try to get similar weight skins in both the steer and the cow hides or will the steer hide always be thinner than the cow hide in a Schott jacket.

I like a thick leather and the particular  641 seemed thinner than I expected.

Artic on 10/24/10 at 09:24 PM

Hi there, I see what you mean (I think). The 641 cowhide is thicker but softer than the steerhide, which is thinner but firmer. That's to say, the cowhide seems to be a lower density (more air in between the cowhide cells?) than the steerhide, which is more tightly packed, but maybe thinner. I couldn't decide on which and got a steerhide first, and then a cowhide of the same jacket. The cowhide wears well in the rough. The steerhide looks more refined. Overall, if you're looking for a very very thick leather jacket, the US Orchard or Vansons or the British Aeros are really good for that. I guess if you're wanting really thick for abrasion resistance, then a motorcycling jacket in kangaroo leather is probably the way to go. The Schotts aren't as thick as these, but the Schott is way more practical and no nonsense in its approach. I find the Schotts less fussy and just great to wear.

pulser on 10/30/10 at 03:33 PM

Hi there.

I got a good Perfecto 118, brand new, in cowhide. The leather is thick, uniform in colour and thickness, and also is very soft, easy to wear despite the jacket is basically new. The feeling one has when touching this hide is of a "live" leather, impressive.

10 years ago I had another Perfecto, then sold because too big: the black colour was a bit "less black", say less intense, and I can recall it was thicker, the jacket weight was a bit more heavy than this new one and also the smell was a better, real fragrance. But it was not easy to wear, very stiff especially when it was new (I still remember the funny creaking at every single movement). I still have for some reason the tag with the price and according to the tag that one was a Perfecto 617 in steerhide (but 617 seems no more existing, probably now it is 618 that is made in steerhide in fact, not in cowhide).

To me there is an actually difference, if I can chose I would prefer the steerhide becasue the jacket delivers a more masculine feeling, notwithstanding it takes time to make that hide softer and comfortable.

This is what based on by experience. 

mrpoizun on 11/07/10 at 10:24 AM

The 118 has been constructed of naked cowhide for many years.  According to previous posts from Gail, this is the same exact leather as the steerhide, except the steerhide has a finish applied to it that makes it stiffer, glossier and more weather resistant.

96w6 on 11/07/10 at 11:03 PM

So you are saying that according to Gail, cowhide and steerhide are the same hide but with an applied finish to the steerhide? That would mean Schott may be doing misleading, if not false, advertising.

I don't live on a ranch or farm but my understanding is that a cow is a female bovine and a steer is a castrated male bovine. Steerhide should be from a steer and cowhide from a cow.

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