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Differences between Schott 618 and 118

I know that the new 118 has a different cut than the 618, which according to the website it is suggested that the 618 be ordered one size larger than normal fitment. Does this mean that the 118 has a fuller cut than the 618, or is it just the length that is the difference between the two?

Gail on 11/10/06 at 08:12 AM

The style 118 is a updated fit and is a fuller cut than the 618, that is why we recommend ordering the 618 a size larger than your chest size. Gail

zxc1974 on 12/04/06 at 06:04 PM

So, does that mean if I was to order a 118 in size 34 and a 618 one size up in size 36 and laid them side by side, would the measurements be the same, or are the cuts different altogether?

Steven on 12/04/06 at 08:01 PM

I've been wondering about this too. Do the older patterns have a different ratio between the waist and chest? A more "athletic" cut? Or are they made for skinnier people, not necessarily broad shouldered? Just what specifically is cut fuller?

zxc1974 on 12/05/06 at 12:13 AM

Steven, Yeah, my thoughts exactly. I'd like to know what exactly has been updated in comparison to the older 118. I have a new 118 that fits very tight at the waist but is a just little loose in the chest. I even ordered a size smaller than what I normally wear hoping that it would fit snug, but there's still ample room in the chest area. Also the sleeves were really wide, too wide for my liking and would balloon up on rides. I ended up having to take the jacket to a leather tailor to narrow them out. Maybe it's because I'm on the skinny side, I don't know. Nonetheless, I love the style of the jacket, was just wondering how different the new cut is from the old one. Seems like in old photos of punk bands like the Ramones, the cut was perfect.

crippe on 12/05/06 at 06:25 AM

I've been a Ramones fan for a long time, awesome band. If you want the same kind of fit that let's say Dee Dee had on his Perfectos in the 1970's, you would wear a 613/618 in your chest size (not a size up like Schott recommends). Of course the sleeves would be a bit short but that's how they wore them :)




Gail on 12/05/06 at 11:23 AM

On the sizing comparison of the 2 jackets, the measurements are slightly different, but basically the 618 in a size 40 would be the measurements in the 118 size 38. The chest and shoulder measurements in the 118/38 is the same as the 618/40 and accordingly for all the sizes. The bottom sweep of the 618 is about 1" wider than the 118 in all sizes. The 618 is 1" shorter than the 118 in all sizes. On the 118 the sleeve length is 1/2" longer than a 618. Please note all these comparisons are based on the 118 in a size compared to the 618 in one size larger. Gail

HellboundGreaser on 12/05/06 at 05:47 PM

So my size 38 118 would be the similar to a size 40 618 or 613? interesting.

zxc1974 on 12/05/06 at 08:16 PM

Gail, Pardon my ignorance, but what's a "bottom sweep"?

crippe on 12/06/06 at 08:29 AM

"bootom sweep", I think Gail is referring to the bottom of a jacket. zxc1974, Schott makes a version of the 613 called 613US especially for their Japanese distributor. This is a tighter version of the 613, check it out with Gail.



zxc1974 on 12/07/06 at 07:35 AM

I've seen the 613US for sale online only in Japan. Unfortunately I can't read Japanese, but I'd love to get in contact w/ one of those stores to find out about availability, cost & shipping. I especially like the little details on the 613US,like the zippers that zip up instead of down to close and the lack of the seam on the back of the sleeves just above the elbow. There's also a REALLY cool one in 2-tone black and white that I would love to have! Reminds me of Johnny Thunders or Sid Vicious... Interestingly enough, my size 34 118 is 23 1/2" long. I wonder if the 613/618 would be even shorter than that.

Gail on 12/07/06 at 10:10 AM

The bottom sweep of the jacket is the circumference of the jacket at the bottom. For the 618 and 613 you would need to order 1 size larger. In refernce to the 1928 this was a fuller cut jacket therefore this is why a size 42 in the 1928 was equal to a size 46 in the 618. Gail

HellboundGreaser on 12/07/06 at 05:47 PM

The 118 is better for winter because the extra room allows you to layer up under it. I wear a quilted mechanics jacket under mine and it's perfect.

Sacman on 12/15/06 at 12:50 AM

I am looking for a used 118, with my chest at 43 1/2 with a flannel shirt on,should I get a 46 or 44?

Gail on 12/15/06 at 09:59 AM

Hi Everyone, I have not been able to get to our message blog now since last week, as it is the Xmas season here at Schott and as always we are pretty busy, so my aplogies to all for not answering sooner. I do see some of our members have been covering for me in replies to some questions as they are very knowledgeble in the Perfecto jackets. Thanks Paris 7, Geno and Chris. To answer the last question if the chest measurement is 43-1/2" the 118 should be fine with a flannel shirt being worn ubder the jacket. Just keep in mind that waist measurement, if you have a little tummy, motorcycle jackets taper in at the waist. Gail

PS In case I forget as we go into the last week before the Holidays, I want to wish all our members and friends a very Happy Holiday & New Year !


Sacman on 12/15/06 at 02:35 PM

Thanks for the reply and a Merry Christmas to everyone.

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