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618? age? miter buckle, zippers close up

hi - new to this board. I just received this Perfecto, and am trying to ID it. I checked the timeline but some details show up in different decades.

It has the miter buckle and zip up pockets.

Label is cream with gold band saying "Perfecto" - bull in upper left corner - "by Schott NYC" in lower right. The size tag is barely legible but is black ink. No USA tag (or maybe it was removed). The size tage in the pocket says 40.

Also, there's a horizontal line of hand-stitching in the right side liner where maybe an inner pocket was removed. Do Perfectos always have an inner pocket?

 

Thanks in advance ...

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catahooligan on 01/14/07 at 01:24 PM

oh - and a Talon zipper

crippe on 01/14/07 at 05:29 PM

Hi catahooligan, great photos! Schott NYC label and lining that goes all the way down the back, I'd say late 1970's/early 1980's. The inner pocket (map pocket) was introduced in the late 1980's I think.

 

/Chris  

zxc1974 on 01/15/07 at 04:07 AM

My guess is same as Chris', late '70s/ early '80s. Size tag in black ink? Hmm, are you talking about the one in the pocket or the one to the right of the Perfecto label?

catahooligan on 01/15/07 at 10:31 AM

thank you both! There's a size tag both on the side of the Perfecto label and in the pocket. The one beside the label is really faded but both are black ink.

zxc1974 on 01/16/07 at 01:16 AM

That's unusual about the black ink on the size tag--they're usually in red from that era. Congrats on the jacket. Looks to be in really nice condition.

Gail on 01/19/07 at 11:29 AM

Based on the label, which we used until the late 1980's and the Black size label, I think this jacket was produced in the late 1980's. The jackets with the red size loop are thge older jackets. Gail

crippe on 01/19/07 at 04:39 PM

I have to disagree with you on this one Gail :) I think this jacket is from the late 70's or early 80's because:

 

- Miter buckle (which disappeared from the jackets in the mid 1980's)

- no snaps on the collar (snaps were introduced in the mid 1980's) 

- one piece sleeve underside / no underarm footballs

- TALON zipper 

- pocket zippers close up (on zxc1974's early 80's 618 they close down)

 

I mean no disrespect Gail, you know that.

 

/Chris 

crippe on 01/22/07 at 07:23 PM

I think I've solved the 'black ink size label' dilemma. Check the picture below of an early 80's Perfecto, it looks like the size label is printed with black ink. What do you think zxc1974?

 

/Chris

 

 

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zxc1974 on 01/22/07 at 09:22 PM

A picture tells a thousand words. Well done Chris!

Gail on 01/23/07 at 11:07 AM

Hi Guys, No offense Chris, it is really hard to date some of these jackets. We also must remember that most of the jackets were produced years ago and are vintaged jackets. But we cannot forget that we also made special production lots of these classic vintage jacket styles for our distributors in Japan and are newer jackets. These production lots were usually in small sizes, but were made to the same original spec of the jacket including the Talon zippers, miter buckles, snaps and labels. The chances of these jackets being in the US are very slim, but with Ebay anything is possible these days. Gail

reginald on 02/03/07 at 04:45 AM

GAIL, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE SNAP BUTTON ON THE BASE OF THE NECK OF ALL SCHOTT BRANDO JACKET IS FOR? I KNOW THIS IS SOMETHING YOU TELL SCHOTT FROM OTHER BRANDS, BUT WHATS THE FUNCTION? CHEERS

Gail on 02/07/07 at 09:20 AM

 Chris is correct this snap is for a optional collar. When our classic Perfecto was first manufactured, there was an optional pile collar, which would snap on. This additional snap on the back was also used to snap the collar down when riding so the collar would not blow up. We actually discontinued the optional collar at one point. About 15 years ago we attempted to remove the snap as they actually were no longer needed. We received complaints from numerous consumers requesting the snaps on the jacket, because this was a part of the original jacket. We conducted a survey with retailers, International distributors, and consumers and the consensus was to put the snaps back on the jacket. Everyone was in agreement that these snaps represented a Schott Perfecto jacket as our trademark so to speak. As you can now see on our website we are once again offering this optional collar for the 118 & 618 styles.

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