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141 and 641 styles

Hi I have few questions about 141 and 641 styles.

Which one was produced first : 641 or 141 ?

According to your answer on this post :
there is no way that the 141 was made in 1969 for Peter Fonda in Easy Rider as Revzilla stated in this video : , right ?

Is it true that in style #, 1 (e.g. 118 ; 141...) are naked cowhide and 6 styles (e.g. 618 ; 613 ; 641 ...) are steerhide ?

Did I understand correctly the difdference between naked cowhide and steerhide : naked cowhide is the top notch leather and steerhide is the quality right under it and steerhide is a lacquered finish leather ? If so the 141 might not be water resistant like the 641 ?

In general how do I should take care of a naked cowhide (my actual 118 and future ? 141)  and when it get soaked after a ride in a storm ?

Thanks for your help.

Gail on 11/22/19 at 08:41 AM

We did not start using Naked Leather in our line until 1978, so a jacket made in 1969 would not be a Naked Leather by us. The 641 was first produced in 1983 and the 141 in 1980. Steerhide & Naked Cowhide are the same type of leather except the Steerhide has a finish, which adds more protection to the leather from absorbing liquids. The naked leather has no finish so things will be absorbed into the hide. If either jacket becomes soaked with rain, allow jacket to fully air dry and if it should become stiff you may have to condition to soften of the leather again. Always use all natural products on the jackets and never water proof the jackets.


frdrc13 on 11/22/19 at 10:25 AM

Thanks Gail.

Short and clear as always.

frdrc13 on 12/02/19 at 05:29 AM

Hello, I'd like to compare 184SM, 141 and 641 measurements. I have oe 184SM in 46 and I guess I'll need a 46 for 141 or 641. Is it possible to have the measurements (sleeves, bottom widht, shoulder width...ect.) for the 141 and 641 in 46 ?

It will help a lot to make my choice.

Thank you.

Gail on 12/02/19 at 09:01 AM

Trying to compare sizing from a A/2 Flight jacket style and a motorcycle jacket are very difficult as they are totally two different designs. Flight jacket have a looser, blousy body and arms. The motorcycle jacket is a snug fitting body & sleeves styled for protection when riding. I would suggest you contact Denise in our customer service and request the specs for the 141/641 and the 184SM so you can compare all the styles.



frdrc13 on 12/02/19 at 09:44 AM

I totally agree they are very different but I just want to have a more precise idea about differences by comparing my 184SM with the 141/641 specs.

I'm going to ask your customer service.

Thank you.

frdrc13 on 12/18/19 at 10:56 AM


I sent a mail on the adress you gave but I don't have any answer so far. I'm wondering how long is the 141 for a size 46.

I found this but not sure about measurments charts :

It would be great if somebody has some info.

Thank you.

Gail on 12/19/19 at 09:32 AM

I am sorry to hear you have not heard from us, did you email Denise directly or just customer service in general. This is our busiest time of the year and we do get behind at times. I have contacted Denise including this post to reply to you.


frdrc13 on 12/19/19 at 02:11 PM

Don't worry no big deal, sometimes emails get lost. Denise answered me right away.

You're a very effective and helpfull team. Thanks again for that awesome customer service your provide.

Take care and have nice holidays.


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